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Friday The 13th - Castle Warlock - 02-16-2009
I put this alternate review together for FrightStuff, but, I thought some of you guys might be interested to read it also. It covers most everything, not covered in other reviews!...lol <img src=\"style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":biggrin:\" border=\"0\" alt=\"biggrin.gif\" /> <img src=\"style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":thumbsup:\" border=\"0\" alt=\"thumbsup.gif\" /> What follows is a review of the original Friday The 13th. This review contains OPINIONS based upon different possibility's/theories of the events that occured during both the day and the night. I realized a lot of this YEARS ago, but also, some I came to think of, after reading all thats been posted in this thread. Most of this is just "what if" scenarios based on whats ACTUALLY filmed, but, if you watch the movie with all of this in mind, it can POSSIBLY provide some answers or even just a new way to look at things. I will type this out in movie time line form.There are 4 types of ways to possibly see Jason in part1 and I do believe that what ever form it is, he did in fact drown in 1957, which caused him to die in at least some, probably, inexplainable way, for at least a short period of time, even being minutes. So, I don't think Jason, in terms of "fully survived", survived the drowning. I also think that the lake and area surrounding, was fine before Jason's drowning, but that some type of unexplainable evil/supernatural presence, more or less, did come to be, after he was killed and resurrected from the drowning. After all, he was able to take hangings, ax's to the head, machete's to the shoulder and an array of other things that would have killed someone who was purely human and "fully survived", and thats even before he was zombie Jason with the start of part6.So, the 4 TYPES/FORMS of Jason are...1. Either its, Jason in boy form, right before growing up rapidly for the events of the beginning of part2 (Alice's death)2. Jason in grown up form. Growing from the minute he was resurrected after his drowning in 1957. Essentially being as old as he should, if he never drowned3. Because of the inexplainable evil that arose when he drowned and was resurrected, Jason, or SOMETHING, is able to project or manifest appirations that are either in ghostly physical form, or a type of ghostly hallucination, experienced by some of his victims4. Or flat out, people (such as Alice, Ginny or Chris) are just having mental/cerebral hallucinations, based purely on extreme anxiety's of dealing with what they had to go through. The fears and anxiety's from that is so powerfull that they create hallucinations in the persons mind. Therefor what they're seeing is not there in any kind of real or supernatural form and that they're mind is solely responsible for what they think they're seeing. I PERSONALLY don't believe in this perspective to why people are seeing the things they're seeing. It CAN'T BE JUST the people themselves having Hallucinations.Keep the 4 TYPES/FORMS in mind while reading and watching the movie. Combinations of 2 of the 4 are POSSIBLE to be at work at the same time as well. I can't think of any other variations as to what it could be. Also keep in mind guys, that when I say POSSIBLE or POSSIBLY, it means just that!The scene starts with Jack, Marcy and Ned in the truck, driving TOWARDS Camp Crystal Lake. The camera shows them taking a right off the main street. Immediately after going right, the camera then shows them passing under the wooden Camp Crystal Lake banner thing, and then immediately after that, is the yellow "welcome to Camp Crystal Lake" sign, which Steve gets killed next to later on. I believe it's POSSIBLE, based on what the camera shows of the truck driving past it, that the wooden CCL banner and the yellow WTCCL sign is with in, at least, a good mile before you're actually at the cabins and where the majority of the murders took place. I personally don't think that the wooden CCL banner and yellow WTCCL sign are even relatively close. I think It's POSSIBLE from footage of the truck driving, that it could take a good 10+ minutes to get from the banner and sign, down to where all the cabins and everything is located, ESPECIALLY if you had to carry a dead body this entire way.This scene is when Alice walks down to where Bill is painting. She asks him, because Steve wants to know, if he needs more paint and he says the paint is good but maybe some more thinner. He then asks if everyone made it yet, Alice replies something like everyone except for the cook girl! She then proceeds to walk back, using the same exact path, as the one she walked in on. Both times it shows her walking, the camera follows her movements behind a set of trees (the same way it does in part2 when it IS Jason watching) and to me, gives away a strong impression that someone is watching her walk down to Bill and then back. I think its strongly POSSIBLE that this is Jason and not Mrs. Voorhees, or just where the crew decided to put the camera. Now, when I say Jason, theres 3 different possibility's that encompass that. Either it is Jason himself still in boy form, Jason himself grown up, or some type of supernatural projection/manifestation of Jason due to the/whatever evil that WAS created when he drown. Or, was it simply Mrs. Voorhees watching her? My next paragraph, I believe, shows some evidence and can back up that it can't be Mrs. Voorhees who is watching Alice from behind the trees.This scene, which is DIRECTLY following the scene in my last paragraph, is the scene with Steve in his Jeep ready to leave from the camp. The scene DIRECTLY following that is with with Ned and Brenda at the archery range. Ned, jokingly fires an arrow at her, they talk for a brief second and then she chases him away. The scene that DIRECTLY follows that is where Annie is walking down the street TOWARDS Camp Crystal Lake. The next thing you see is Mrs. Voorhees green Jeep pulling from BEHIND her, also heading TOWARDS Camp Crystal Lake and not AWAY from it. Annie is picked up and killed in the woods minutes later by Mrs.Voorhees.This scene is where everyone is down swimming in the lake, taking a break from the work thats needed to be done. The camera view switches to the shore line to the right of where all the kids are. The camera shows the perspective of someone reaching up with their left hand and pushing a tree branch out of the way to watch the kids, note the left hand is wearing a ring and the fact that the music is playing rather lightly and isn't too freaky sounding. The CH CH CH AH AH AH's are not loud either. It then shows Brenda swimming in the lake, she acts like she's seen something on the shore line to the right, even Marcie asks if she saw something. Then it shows the perspective from back in the woods. The person is walking to the left of the kids position (so to the kids right) and sort of stops again while looking over to where everyone is. It then shows back to the kids and Ned does the whole drowning bit and tries to kiss Brenda. It then goes back to the perspective in the woods, THIS TIME much farther left then the two previous perspectives came from. The music, in this perspective, is much louder, creepier and more intense and the camera is shaking/moving a lot more. The CH CH CH AH AH AH's are much more abundant and intense as well. The first two perspectives are for sure Mrs. Voorhees, but the third I believe is highly POSSIBLE, to be that of Jason in what ever form you chose, given the fact of the erratic movements of the camera and the intense music and CH CH CH AH AH AH's.This scene is where Ned approaches the cabin before he is to be killed. He notices an object standing on the porch. This object turns to face him and then turns back around and enters the front of the cabin. When I pause and zoom in, the object is wearing what appears to be a brown leather coat or a brown poncho/raincoat. They're head is clearly draped or shrouded in some type of, black, hood or scarf or something of the like. Curly hair sticks out the front of the black shroud. The hair and face from what I can see resembles that of Mrs. Voorhees. Ned enters the cabin, after the object and is killed off camera.This scene is directly after Marcie leaves Jack to go to the bathroom after they had sex. When Jack is lying there toking all by himself, a drip of blood hits his forehead from Ned lying dead in the bunk above. He wipes it off with his finger and looks at it to investigate. While doing this, suddenly, a right hand wearing a DARK BROWN LIGHT BROWN STRIPED FLANNEL SHIRT, reaches from under the bed to hold Jack's head down. Jack is then stabbed through the neck with an object held by this persons left hand. Jack's murderer is in FACT Mrs. Voorhees. But she has removed the brown coat/raincoat.This scene happens directly after Jack is Killed. Marcie is in the bathroom and is sitting in one of the stalls. The camera pans over and shows the door opening and someone from outside in the rain, stepping in. It only shows this persons legs and boots for a second, and is too dark to determine what color they might be. While it's probably Mrs. Voorhees, because she would have been able to make it over to the restrooms in the amount of time that elapsed, I think It's POSSIBLE that this may be a grown up Jason and that he kills Marcie.This scene is when Brenda retreats back to her cabin to read and go to bed, after playing strip poker with Alice and Bill and going to the Bathrooms where Marcie was just killed minutes before. As Brenda lies down on the bed and begins to read, her attention is pulled away from the book by something she thinks she hears. She then starts reading again, only to hear the same thing except a little louder. She shrugs it off and tries reading again. She then hears the same thing very loud this time and is sure that shes hearing something. What she hears is a voice, much like that of a BOYS, who is yelling "help me!" She then decides to leave her cabin to go investigate this strange voice. I believe it's POSSIBLE that this is Jason (again what ever form you chose) calling her. I believe it's POSSIBLE that Mrs. Voorhees and Jason lured Brenda down to the archery range to kill her. I Believe it's much more POSSIBLE that the voice heard was that of Jason's and not Mrs. Voorhees, due to the fact that, it sounds MUCH more like a boy then it does a girl. TO ME, it sounds NOTHING like Mrs. Voorhees. Towards the end when Mrs. Voorhees seems to be channeling Jason's voice/words through her mouth ("kill her mommy"), still doesn't sound ANYTHING like the voice you hear calling to Brenda.This next scene directly follows Brenda leaving her cabin to investigate the "help me" voice she just heard. Moments later she winds up down at the archery range where she had the earlier conflict with Ned. Suddenly out of the dark, a LEFT HAND wearing a RING and a BROWN poncho/raincoat, turns the switch on, to a box which controls the archery range lights. Brenda then, backing up, definitely sees someone before she screams and the bright lights are turned off. Brenda is killed off camera. The person that turned the lights on was in FACT Mrs. Voorhees, so in turn, that also leads me to believe shes the one who turns them off the moment Brenda screams. Therefor I believe it's POSSIBLE that Jason, again being in 1 of the forms, of the first 3 I talk about, has helped or participated in getting Brenda down to the archery rage. Therefor POSSIBLY being the one to kill Brenda, since Mrs. Voorhees is the one operating the lights and the fact that the lights shut off the instant Brenda is killed. Mrs. Voorhees wouldn't have been able to kill Brenda and shut the lights off at the same exact time.This next scene is where Steve is killed next to the yellow WTCCL sign, which is located right after you take a right hand turn off the main road and about a mile or so before the cabins and everything. Steve, before he is killed, notices someone shining a flashlight at him. The expression and dialog to go with this SHOWS he recognizes the person who kills him leading anyone to believe it's definitely Mrs. Voorhees. I believe its' POSSIBLE, based on my next paragraph and stuff suggested later, that Mrs. Voorhees is about a mile or so from the actual camp itself when she kills Steve. Therefor I think it's POSSIBLE she loads his body in her Jeep which takes a little time, and is the ONLY other thing she does, before arriving back at camp in the Jeep, where she and Alice meet for the first time. And therefor, shows that she could not be responsible for what I say in my next paragraph, because she DEFINITELY had no time to walk back (while POSSIBLY carrying Steve) and she DEFINITELY didn't drive her Jeep back yet, as Alice and Bill would have heard and seen it.This scene which DIRECTLY follows Steve being killed by Mrs.Voorhees, is of someone creeping up in the dark to the generator housing and shutting off the generator which causes the light through the entire camp to shut off. To me, it SEEMS very unlikely that this is Mrs. Voorhees shutting off the power to the generator, ESPECIALLY SECONDS after killing Steve and being up to a POSSIBLE mile away from where the generator is located. Therefor I believe it's POSSIBLE that this is definitely Jason shutting off the generator, while Mrs. Voorhees is still back at the yellow WTCCL sign loading Steve's body in the Jeep along with Annie's or while she is dragging or carrying Steve's body back down to the cabin area where it will be seen by Alice as she tries to get away from Mrs.Voorhees.This scene, is DIRECTLY following the generator being shut off. Bill leaves Alice to go investigate why the lights went out down at the generator. When Bill is at the generator he is confronted by his killer which kills him off camera. The moment Bill is killed, Alice wakes up and decides to go look for him. Alice winds up at the generator housing and then proceeds to find Bill, shot up against it's door with a couple of arrows. I believe it's POSSIBLE that Jason is responsible for shooting the arrows that killed Bill against the door. Still because Mrs. Voorhees was dealing with Steve's body at this time and is moments away from driving into the cabin area where she first confronts Alice.This scene, is DIRECTLY following where Alice finds Bill dead against the door of the generator housing. Alice runs over and into what I guess could be the main cabin. As soon as she enters the cabin, she begins tying the rope to the door and making sure all the windows are shut. As she is doing this, Brenda's body is thrown through the window with rope tied around it. SECONDS after that, she runs across the little room section and IMMEDIATELY notices the head lights, from Mrs. Voorhees Jeep, coming down the road and gleaming through the window. Because the events of the last paragraph and this paragraph happen in such a tight sequence, it's THOROUGHLY IMPOSSIBLE that Mrs. Voorhees could have shut off the generator or killed Bill and EVEN MORE THOROUGHLY IMPOSSIBLE that Mrs. Voorhees could have thrown Brenda's body through the window. NOT TO MENTION, throwing body's through windows is Jason's style, and after all, how many victims, dead or alive, has he thrown through windows. Also, aside from the FACT of the circumstance that Mrs. Voorhees pulls up in her Jeep, SECONDS after Brenda is thrown through the window, I find it HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that she would be capable of throwing someone through a window anyway, based on my vision of the physical strength she shows on camera.This next scene, DIRECTLY follows the last paragraph. When Alice sees the lights on Mrs. Voorhees Jeep, she IMMEDIATELY makes it outside, and thats where her and Mrs. Voorhees meet for the first time. I BELIEVE this is when Mrs. Voorhees arrives back at the cabin area from killing Steve, and POSSIBLY loading his body in the Jeep, up the road at the yellow WTCCL sign. Alice, while trying to tell Mrs. Voorhees what happened, starts to realize that Mrs. Voorhees is not right minded for various obvious reasons. Mrs. Voorhees says to alice, "we can go now dear" and Alice replies with "I think we should wait for Mr. Christy" Mrs. Voorhees then replies with "that won't be nessassary dear" CLEARLY AGAIN showing Mrs. Voorhees is responsible for Steve's death. When Mrs. Voorhees finally FULLY snaps, she lifts her BLUE SWEATER revealing the LIGHT BROWN DARK BROWN STRIPED FLANNEL SHIRT seen earlier in the movie. Mrs. Voorhees then reaches to pull out her knife, she is wearing a RING on her LEFT HAND. Mrs. Voorhees commences to start to scuffle with and chase Alice. Alice heads outside out of the cabin.This scene DIRECTLY follows Alice running out of the cabin away from Mrs. Voorhees. Alice is running away from the cabin, when suddenly in a tree above her, Steve's dead body comes swinging out of the tree and scares her. I believe given the circumstances of the last few paragraphs, that it's HIGHLY POSSIBLE, that upon killing Steve, 1 of 2 things POSSIBLY happened. Mrs. Voorhees either put him into her Jeep (along with Annie's body) and drove him down to the cabin area in the scene where her and Alice meet for the first time OR Mrs. Voorhees carried or dragged Steve's body down to the cabin area and then went back to get her Jeep. I believe it's POSSIBLE that while Mrs. Voorhees was in the cabin after meeting Alice for the first time, that Jason is outside hanging Steve's body up in that tree. I just don't find it POSSIBLE or LIKELY AT ALL, that Mrs. Voorhees was strong enough to throw Brenda's body through the window (even though she didn't even have time too), and let alone, to hang a fully grown mans body in a tree (when she had no time to do this either).This scene happens a few times, during Mrs. Voorhees chase of Alice. Mrs. Voorhees SEEMS to be saying what Jason is saying, but in HER voice. "Kill her mommy" "Kill her" "no place to hide" I STRONGLY believe this is Jason, talking through the voice of Mrs. Voorhees. UNLIKE the scene involving the voice calling "help me" to Brenda, this actually sounds like a GIRLS and also Mrs. Voorhees voice. Not the younger boys voice, that I believe is clearly heard calling, in Brenda's death scene. The POSSIBILITY of Jason projecting his words through his mother's voice, TO ME, gives weight to the EXTREME POSSIBILITY, that there is something at least in part, ghostly or supernatural about the Voorhees's or the events that occured surrounding Jason's death from drowning.This scene happens three times during the Mrs. Voorhees and Alice chase. Mrs. Voorhees and Alice actually begin to physically fight. The first time around, Alice knocks Mrs. Voorhees down onto some mats, moments later after fleeing, the camera shows Mrs. Voorhees get up and continue to persue alice. The second fight scene happens after Mrs. Voorhees finds Alice hiding in a pantry. Alice strikes Mrs. Voorhees with a frying pan and she hardcore hits the ground. Alice again, after rolling Mrs. Voorhees over and seeing the blood, flees the scene and heads to the dock/shore where the final battle with Mrs. Voorhees will ensue. I believe it's POSSIBLE just POSSIBLE that Jason helps Mrs. Voorhees back to her feet after being knocked cold by the frying pan. The camera never shows Mrs. Voorhees get up by herself and the next thing happening is Mrs. Voorhees sneaking up behind Alice down at the shore line.This scene DIRECTLY follows Alice cutting Mrs. Voorhees head off with the machete. Jason, I STRONGLY BELIEVE, in one form or another, INDEED saw Mrs. Voorhees be-headed. Alice then LITERALLY and PHYSICALLY gets into the canoe and pushes herself out into the lake.Based on the opinions derived from this thread about Alice hallucinating and my own interpretations based on whats shown on film, I believe for there to be two ending scenario POSSIBILITY'S!ENDING SCENARIO POSSIBILITY #1The morning scene starts with Alice in the canoe. The camera turns around and shows the cop car coming down the little stretch of road up to the top of the shore line. (Hallucination STARTS here) the cop walks down to the shore line and begins calling to an Alice who's already aware that they are there. He calls to her twice and she begins to sit up in the canoe (Hallucination ENDS here). So in other words, the cops are a hallucination. 1 of 3 things happens next:1. A live young/boy Jason literally and physically comes out of the water and pulls Alice under.2. Jason as a boy or grown-up, or the potential evil that arose when he drown and then resurrected, PROJECTS a sort of ghostly manifestation, or ghostly hallucination, which literally and physically comes out of the water and pulls Alice under.3. Based on the trauma, from the anxiety of the events that occured the night before Alice's mental state turns against her. Her brain and the anxiety's are SOLELY whats responsible for her cerebral hallucination and what she thinks she saw coming out of the lake and pulling her under. This mental/cerebral hallucination would have had to be SO STRONG and real like, that it was actually physically strong enough to get/pull Alice into the water.Alice then, a little later, is found by the cops in the lake appearing to be close to dead. FACT, Alice does in fact get into the canoe the night before, but the cops find her in the lake itself. She then wakes up in the hospital and has a short conversation with the main cop. He says "two of my men pulled you from the lake, we thought you were dead too." Alice then proceeds to ask about "the boy" and "did you find him too" The cop replies with "boy, we didn't find any boy." My point is that, when Alice is being questions and talking to the cop, she to me, portrays none other than 2 specific things.1. She to me, sounds and SEEMS, "of sound mind and body" still. Even though she experiences all the crazy shit she experiences. She to me, just DOESN'T sound like she's gone off the deep end. An example to contrast that with is, Chris at the end of part3. Chris's actions, manurisms and words, lead me to believe MUCH more, then that of Alice's, that the trauma's she experienced caused anxiety producing mental/cerebral hallucinations. After all if you remember, when the cop walks Chris out of the cabin and into the cop car, she CLEARLY is "not of sound mind and body" and acts like she's gone off the deep end. Alice DOES NOT act like this in the slightest.2. Alice, through her words, actions and tone of voice, SEEMS more then ADAMANT that there is a boy/something still in the lake and in the surrounding area. Her words about this, TO ME, do not sound like psycho babble or that she's potentially crazy. So in other words, something REALLY pulled her out of the canoe and under the water.ENDING SCENARIO POSSIBILITY #2:The morning scene starts with Alice in the canoe. The camera turns around and shows the cop car coming down the little stretch of road up to the top of the shore line. The cop physically gets out of the car and comes down to the shore and proceeds to call to Alice twice. As the cop is physically standing on the shore, Alice begins to sit up. Then 1 of the same 3 things happens next:1. A live young/boy Jason literally and physically comes out of the water and pulls Alice under.2. Jason, as a boy or grown-up, or the potential evil that arose when he drown and then resurrected, PROJECTS a sort of ghostly manifestation, or ghostly hallucination, which literally and physically comes out of the water and pulls Alice under.3. Based on the trauma, from the anxiety of the events that occured the night before Alice's mental state turns against her. Her brain and the anxiety's are SOLELY whats responsible for her cerebral hallucination and what she thinks she sees coming out of the lake and pulling her under. This mental/cerebral hallucination would have had to be SO STRONG and real like, that it was actually physically strong enough to get/pull Alice into the water.The two cops who pulled up would have WITNESSED Alice getting pulled into the water, by one of the above three options. They then, pulled her almost dead looking body, out of the lake. Alice then wakes up in the hospital and has the short discussion with the main cop. LETS, for second, just ride with 1 of the 2 notions that, either:1. A live young/boy Jason literally and physically comes out of the water and pulls Alice under.2. Jason, as a boy or grown-up, or the potential evil that arose when he drown and then resurrected, PROJECTS a sort of ghostly manifestation, or ghostly hallucination, which literally and physically comes out of the water and pulls Alice under.With 1 of the 2 above notions happening, the cops would have seen something unexplainable and freaky coming out of the water and pulling Alice into it. This would then, be the FIRST time in the ENTIRE Friday The 13 (all the movies) time line, that the police, in order to keep what happened and the area under wraps, would put a cover-up in place. So, when the main cop is denying to Alice, any boy or something back at the lake, it's VERY POSSIBLE this is the start of the whole wanting to "keep things quiet" thing that has had light shed onto it in other Friday sequels as well. This would also mean that the main cop, is flat out lying to Alice's face about something still being back at the lake, and that the two cops who pulled Alice from the lake INDEED saw something pulling her into and under the water.Also, it SEEMS to me that the ending shot of the lake, MOST DEFINITELY IMPLIES that there is something still there. Whether it's physical or supernatural or BOTH. TO ME, 100%, implies that there is still something in the lake and surrounding area. The music thats playing, while sounding kind of on a happy note, is very surreal and honestly somewhat evil sounding in a way as well!WRAP UP and SUMMARY:I believe that Jason did in fact drown in 1957 and to some extent, really did die, even if just for minutes.I believe when Jason died or was resurrected from his drowning death, a sort of evil/supernatural presence was created into the lake and area. I mean it would had have to of been. With the powers Jason has (cant be killed in any real sense of the word) that TO ME, shows hardcore EVIDENCE that something of the supernatural type came to be when he died.I believe it VERY POSSIBLE that Jason (again whatever form you choose) was watching and taking place in the events that occured in the original Friday The 13 movie.I BELIEVE 100 TIMES MORE, that Jason as a physical body or physical supernatural presence was responsible for what happened to Alice at the end. I JUST CANNOT PULL MYSELF TO BUY OR BELIEVE that Alice ONLY EXPERIENCED a mental/cerebral hallucination break down at the end, due to her hardcore circumstances and the anxiety's that arose from them.I BELIEVE that given the real circumstances of time, Mrs. Voorhees wasn't able to do a lot of the things you think she might be doing. examples are:1. Some one watching Alice walking through the woods from behind some trees - when Mrs. Voorhees, minutes later, pulls from BEHIND Annie to pick her up in the Jeep, BOTH ARE HEADING TOWARDS the camp. Mrs. Voorhees is not heading AWAY from the camp when she picks up Annie.2. Brenda getting killed at the archery range - how could Mrs. Voorhees turn off the light's at the exact moment Brenda is killed.3. The generator being shut off SECONDS after Steve is killed- when Mrs. voorhees is POSSIBLY close to a mile up the road killing Steve4. Bill being killed at the generator - when Mrs. Voorhees is POSSIBLY close to mile up the road dealing with Steve's body5. Brenda being thrown through the window - when SECONDS later Mrs. Voorhees pulls up in her jeep.6. Steve's body ending up in the tree - when Mrs. Voorhees pulls up in the Jeep and spends the next 5 minutes talking to Alice, before their chase scene commences.A lot of this is probably all over the place as I'm not very good at essays and putting my thoughts into type. Hopefully, you guys are able to catch, and make sense of, what I'm presenting with all of this information and the angles I'm trying to explore. If there are any questions, don't hesitate to ask, and I'll do my best to answer them.
Friday The 13th - Seph - 02-16-2009
Very Interesting points made...I definately will try and remember these while watching it next time, although the filmmakers made it clear that they didn't plan for a sequel and that jason popping out at the end was a last minute script change, it would still be fun to think that maybe Jason did help out with the killings, although Jason would have to be the same boy size as he was at the end for it to make any sense