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Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - booman101 - 02-21-2010
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Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - SPAZONIOUS - 02-21-2010
for the ppl that hate clicking links(like me)Horror films are a unique genre with a rich history that goes as far back as the silent film era. When words couldn’t drive a story, film makers would use the art of cinematography to create a dark atmosphere and the actors would portray fear and emotions when someone or some thing was terrorizing their life. It translates well on the screen and luckily for filmmakers, audiences love to be scared...Follow up:Another thing that has been a constant with horror is change. The evolution of horror films have continued with each and every major release since the first time a moviegoer screamed in the theater. Writers have changed the way monsters and villains are perceived by the viewers in dramatic fashion. Take one of the most popular horror icons of all time -Vampires. They have been portrayed as evil rat like creatures in one instance all the way to the other extreme - well dressed, suave, sophisticated human like creatures that could charm the pants off a nun, sparkly too.With that in mind, those of us that lived through the Slasher boom of the late 70’s and 80’s we also witnessed a great deal of change. Leatherface looked one way in the original and different in the sequels. Michael Myers and Jason Voorhee’s wardrobes went through more changes than I change underwear in a week. Where were they getting these things at? Does Jason just put in a request for a new hockey mask, I mean how does this happen? This all went on from one film to the next with no explanation, it was just accepted. Different special effects teams would be brought on board and give there unique take on the series often changing things drastically. Even today, directors like Rob Zombie put their own artistic spin on classic series such as Halloween. That leads us to our question today. Before the advent of sites like HorrorBid, forums, chat rooms and other community areas, did people complain about the looks of our horror characters as much as they do today? I mean, before fanboys living in their parents basements hawked the web, did construction workers rant about changes in their favorite characters repertoire over a ham and cheese sandwich? Sure I hated some of the looks of Michael Myers (namely in part 5) but it really didn’t seem like that big of a deal back then. With all this in mind, let me present the issue at hand – Freddy Krueger’s new look. We really haven’t got a great look at him other than the figure we displayed (click here) from this week’s 2010 NY Toy Fair. The consensus from the horror world, however, is clear - sheer hatred. I will be honest I am not a fan of it myself, but the amount of negativity is off the charts and I can understand this to a degree. You’re messing with a lot of peoples childhoods. I mean…its Freddy. How many times as a child did you receive absolute delight in having to check all around your room before you went to bed? This is a franchise that many horror fans and film fans alike hold near-and-dear to their hearts. No matter what continent, no matter what culture, Nightmare on Elm Street is a household name. So, without a doubt, people are going to have issues when you present any sort of change to a familiar character, but when the change is presented in this degree, well, you might as well just take a pee in the Horror Community’s big happy bowl of Count Chocula. Sure, with the coming of the digital age and the ensuing fanboy revolution, all this push back is tenfold. We have the privilege of having our news delivered to us in a constant stream. Websites dedicated to the genre we love, like our good ol’ HorrorBid. With people all over the globe sharing our obsession for monster movies, it makes sense that things get examined through a fine-tooth comb but are we just nit picking because there isn’t a lot else to talk about? It really makes you wonder. Before the film even reaches the screen, people start throwing tomatoes at the mere concept of the movie. What some whistle blowers fail to realize is that without taking risks, some of our favorite franchises may not have ever made it to such fame. Film making is still an art, right? I get both sides of the argument but here is the way I look at it - no one forces anyone to go see a film. Sure it may suck when your favorite movie gets trashed with the remake status especially if it’s just $12 garbage, but does that really hurt the original? I would argue it actually helps reinforce the originals dominance and it’s place in horror movie history. That’s my two cents - and a question that everyone should ponder. Is there a definitive answer? Nope, but that’s the whole point of the story. Now, exercise our dominant medium of complaint and fanboyism by flaming away!
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - mpetrie - 02-21-2010
I agree to an extent but I disagree about the new look of Freddy. Are people seriously basing their opinions on a TOY? Sure, it might represent what the final look will be, but until you see it brought to life by the actor, you really cannot have a solid opinion. The Pizza-face look is Robert's Freddy. I think it'd be a bit of a slap in the face to Robert to do the same look but with a different actor. Changing Freddy's face to a more realistic look is best for a Remake. I personally expected more openings in the skin like those you see on the left side of his face, but I'm fine with that. Some people hate it, some people like it. But I disagree that the consensus from the horror world is sheer hatred.
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - b47 - 02-21-2010
I agree with Mark above. I dont understand all the bashing for a toy... I can't wait to see this movie and the new Freddy brought to life. I grew up with Robert's Freddy and I will always enjoy it. Someone has taken one of my favorite series and drove it into a new direction... a more "realistic" direction. So I have nothing to complaint about. If you don't like the movie after seeing it, fine. Don't watch it again and that's all.So no the horror world is not <b>entirely</b> "sheer hatred". Many of my friends are on horror stuff like me (but are not posting here) and they are REALLY excited about the remake.
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - Deadguy71 - 02-22-2010
I dunno'.. these films aren't just art, they're art of existing art. If they succeed, this will be the new version of the old art, that fans will be required to accept if they want to stay current with their favorite franchise forever more.Many fans want to see the film given it's best shot, and keep it's strengths, while perhaps strengthening it's weaknesses. They don't like the direction Freddie's looks have gone, because they always liked the old look, and the thought is that if something's good you shouldn't change it unless there's a genuine need to do so. If the remake isn't being perceived as being better than the original, then what's the point of making it at all? They should rerelease the original if they perceive it as being a better film.Making the comparison to Jason films is a little silly, in terms of the mask changes between subsequent parts.. This isn't a sequel, it's a "hey-I'm-here-to-replace-you-so-I'm-doing-my-best-to-be-better-than-you-in-every-possible-way." That certainly raises the stakes a bit.I know the argument is that if you don't like the new ones, you'll still have the old ones, but that's a halftruth... You have the old ones, but no more sequels to it, unless this one does well. If it does well, it's the new story that you'll get more of. If it sucks, it'd be exceptionally difficult to get anyone to throw money in Freddie's direction again.Most folks want to see their favorite original characters treated with respect, rather than see their appearances simply discarded on what they may perceive to be a whim.Personally, I'm fine with the new look because I don't care too much about NOES, but I can certainly understand where the animosity comes from. The "more realistic appearance" of the new look is actually less realistic than the original, in terms of his new look being impossible unless he's gotten skin grafts to replace all the burned away/melted flesh, and they just randomly skipped areas, and the grafts have grown in/healed in most places but not all.Now, perhaps in the new story, he dies in hospital this time (or never dies at all and "escapes" after being treated), or is in a coma or something along those lines, but I'm personally kinda hoping they'll screw the realism and just have him die in the fire, despite his new appearance.anyways.. my 2 cents.
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - adee - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=350645:date=Feb 22 2010, 07:02 PM:name=Deadguy71)<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE (Deadguy71 @ Feb 22 2010, 07:02 PM) <a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=350645\"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class=\'quotemain\'><!--quotecI know the argument is that if you don't like the new ones, you'll still have the old ones, but that's a halftruth... You have the old ones, but no more sequels to it, unless this one does well. If it does well, it's the new story that you'll get more of. If it sucks, it'd be exceptionally difficult to get anyone to throw money in Freddie's direction again.<!--QuoteEnd</div><!--QuoteEEndSeriously, how more sequels do you think you could have gotten away with anyway? Robert Englunds Freddy is dead and thats the way he should stay. I'd much rather see someone elses take on the original story than another sequel just for the sake of it. I'd like to see 10 different versions of the original than face repeating the franchise faux pas of NOES part 6 with NOES 7 - freddys pension.I for one, am interested to see if they do a sequel to the new version as they could actually do something completely new and original with it and take it in a different direction, rather than re-making freddys revenge (and God let us hope they don't do that!)
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - adam - 02-22-2010
If you don't like it, don't see it. That's what I did with Zombieween 2. Just stick to the original. However, this is different than say... reading Rob Zombie's terrible scripts for both "Halloweens" and THEN avoiding them. This is makeup. And to be technical, Freddy has looked different in every film. This new makeup is probably closest to Part 2 anyway, which I thought was one of the more realistic makeups. Anyway, it's not like a new look from Freddy should change the outlook of your day. If it bothers you that much, there are deeper issues you need to address than a burned psychopath killing people in their dreams.... ahem.. in a MOVIE. And really, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So if most people like it, you might as well not continue to rant and rave about it. Likely, that will not change any minds.** Btw, "you" here is directed to "those" type of people, not the author of the thread.
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - hummie12 - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=350653:date=Feb 22 2010, 10:03 PM:name=adee)<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE (adee @ Feb 22 2010, 10:03 PM) <a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=350653\"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class=\'quotemain\'><!--quotecRobert Englunds Freddy is dead and thats the way he should stay.<!--QuoteEnd</div><!--QuoteEEndSorry just kidding Adee i couldn't help it. just a bit of <b>humor</b>. <img src=\"style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":biggrin:\" border=\"0\" alt=\"biggrin.gif\" /> <img src=\"style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":thumbsup:\" border=\"0\" alt=\"thumbsup.gif\" /> check:<img src=\"http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/d3a09758869b27dc4cbc2c03821a2bd5.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" />
Horror Has Always Changed, Why beeeoootch Now? - Deadguy71 - 02-23-2010
I'm not for or against the reboot, I'm just saying I can see where some folks might not like it. Some people hate the sound of the inevitible nails hammered into Englund Freddy's coffin. I would see where some folks would have preferred to see someone who looked more like Englund, or at least have the makeup style be the same.There's nothing wrong with having an opinion about the treatment of a favored character. The point isn't to change everyone's mind, it's to indicate distress that the Englund Freddy has gone away and won't be back, while the movie folks say, "No, now THIS is Freddy" and want you to accept something you didn't "sign-on for" when you started identifying as a Freddy fan. Perhaps there's the hope that likeminded folks could help make some kinda' difference, I don't know, but it's not like there's a buncha people out there to discuss it with.. of course they're going to come to their friends (freddy fans) to discuss it. How is it stupid to voice your opinion with friends? Perhaps you're tired of the discussions? that's understandable.. I generally avoid them personally.Halloween.. I haven't seen Part 2 and wont. Hellraiser, I'm hating what they've done to Pinhead. If you've read where the Pinhead concept originates from, and the whole point of the nails.. it's really a shame which way they appear to be going with that makeup. It's "cooler" in some respects.. but not the ones that count, in my opinion. I'll still see it regardless.