Another Movie Trailer For Terminator Salvation!

[🪦 ALLOUTMASSACRE ●]

<!--quoteo(post=301525:date=Mar 4 2009, 08:27 AM:name=Castle Warlock)<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(Castle Warlock @ Mar 4 2009, 08:27 AM) <a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=301525\"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class=\'quotemain\'><!--quotecIf we're going by that, then I guess I find the original futures and they're machines, much more possible from a tech/time standpoint, thereby being a lot more realistic, and to me, more scary, fascinating and interesting! To ignore the first two movies and their respective futures, is to ignore the brilliance Cameron and Wisher set in place...then again that started with T3ROTM and looks to be continuing with these new installments. Without T3ROTM coming along and setting it's own rules for it's time line and future, how could the gear/cog severed Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 T-800 arm left in the steel mill at the end of T2, cause such a drastic change in the future??? To where they end up with the specific future and the specific machines shown in the new film!<!--QuoteEnd</div><!--QuoteEEndCyberdyne gained the knowlege far sooner by having the arm and chip from the t800. In the original future a t800 never went back in time. By the t800 going back in time in the first one it changed the future and allowed skynet and the technology to advance. Dison said this.You should really look into some of the military robots that are being developed. Some of the stuff that could be made wouldn't suprise me how crazy it could.

[🪦 TheMagnificentVoid ●]

Actually my friend Mike and I (both hardcore Terminator fans) would agree with these thoughts and feelings. What we're hoping for is a solid reason that makes these changes make sense and make for a solid story. Or we're both walking out of the theater. (I mean, c'mon - a "Transformer" and "Batman Bikes" now? Mike and I are a bit weary of that. But if there is a plausible story around it that doesn't feel like they've just ignored past stories completely then we're all for evolving ideas). We're assuming right now that it WILL be explained how things can change and still wind up with the T-800 leaving behind his chip and arm.We'll all just have to wait and see. The writers may not even reveal how the whole 6 stories can remain consistent as one big loop in time until the 6th story. No one knows right now how these stories will hold up.BUT . . Mike and I also agree that the sun doesn't necessarily rise and fall with Cameron at this point, despite him being the original creator. He even admits T3 was a great film and went in the RIGHT direction. For the hardcore fans of the first two films Judgement Day was stopped. But here T3 came along with a major CHANGE in the story and Judgment Day was now only postponed. Cameron HIMSELF stood behind this change in the story.The new script writers (John Brancato/Michael Ferris/Jonathan Nolanhave) knew going into this that they had to find a believable way to bring this story forward without stepping on the toes of the first three (or two, depending on the fan) films. They believe they have.All us T-Fans owe Cameron everything that's owed for anything Sci-Fi after he did The Terminator. There is still no better ending to a Sci-Fi film than the very end of the first film with Sarah driving off towards the desert storm coming in. Nothing will EVER beat that ending. NOTHING.But, I try not to be so rigid in my thinking that there has to be Cameron's famous blue lighting in every film or I'm gonna hate any new Terminator film that comes out. (One member a long time ago, when T3 first came out, said that, is why I brought that up and I'm not saying your being that way by any means and I understand that there's a big difference in lighting of scenes vs big changes in story. But the principal is the same). We limit ourselves and deprive ourselves of what normally could please us if we get too stubborn on just one aspect of the film not being to our liking.There are many ways this film could go wrong. But I'm gonna wait and see. I want to reserve judgment (Day) for now and just hope this film "makes sense". There are many things I've seen in the trailers that make this film look to be very cool as well.

[🪦 Castle Warlock ●]

So I don't have to type out a novel, I think we will have to agree to disagree!One thing though, Judgment Day still would have been in full swing at the end of T2. All evidence was destroyed in the molten steel (T-800 arm and chip from T1, the T-1000 and the T-800) EXCEPT for the newly gear/cog severed T-800 arm. Had that arm been destroyed in the molten steel as well, then it's possible that Judgment day would have been stopped. Evidence of Cyberdyne Systems WAS left in the steel mill at the end of T2....

[🪦 JOEY ●]

<!--quoteo(post=301647:date=Mar 4 2009, 07:22 PM:name=Castle Warlock)<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(Castle Warlock @ Mar 4 2009, 07:22 PM) <a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=301647\"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class=\'quotemain\'><!--quotecSo I don't have to type out a novel, I think we will have to agree to disagree!One thing though, Judgment Day still would have been in full swing at the end of T2. All evidence was destroyed in the molten steel (T-800 arm and chip from T1, the T-1000 and the T-800) EXCEPT for the newly gear/cog severed T-800 arm. Had that arm been destroyed in the molten steel as well, then it's possible that Judgment day would have been stopped. Evidence of Cyberdyne Systems WAS left in the steel mill at the end of T2....<!--QuoteEnd</div><!--QuoteEEndOne thing I was thinking was Cyberdyne only had the arm and chip from the first Terminator.Wasn't there all sort of parts free for the picking from T1? Such as legs and waist etc...

[🪦 Castle Warlock ●]

<!--quoteo(post=301659:date=Mar 4 2009, 05:46 PM:name=JOEY)<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(JOEY @ Mar 4 2009, 05:46 PM) <a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=301659\"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class=\'quotemain\'><!--quotecOne thing I was thinking was Cyberdyne only had the arm and chip from the first Terminator.Wasn't there all sort of parts free for the picking from T1? Such as legs and waist etc...<!--QuoteEnd</div><!--QuoteEEndEven though I don't pay as much homage to what you said above, as I do with the T-800 arm being left in the steel mill at the end of T2, still does not take away from the FACT that you are DEAD RIGHT about that Joey!Also, the Cyberdyne Systems building was not completely blown up and therefor Dyson's work could still have been followed!

[🪦 TheMagnificentVoid ●]

The problem now, Castle, is you're now arguing against your own original complaint of how a "transformer" could be in this new movie, that all of a sudden Skynet could have this thing now but in the first two films it was simpler tech by 2029 showing only things like Hunter/Killers. It's your latest posts that support what I have been trying to explain (apparently in novel form) how the present actions in the second and third movie have helped lead up to this altered future in T4 where Skynet is advancing more quickly.Although I doubt you could get too much from a T-800 arm that was mashed up in a cog/gear, the story in T3 was obvious . . .that by blowing up Cyberdyne it led to the work being finished (or causing most of the work to now to be done) at another building - a Military Installation backed by Military Funding and it is here that Brewster and his team were able to do MORE with the arm and chip than Cyberdyne did. This led to already building of prototypes of the hunter/killer models. There was nothing in the first two films that indicated when that tech was achieved so that it led up to the original future 2029 and the most advanced tech being the Hunter/Killers by then. The whole idea of the future not being set plays PERFECTLY here in T3 and hopefully now T4.Stopping Cyberdyne from doing their thing in T2, wound up just making things worse. We found out in T3 that it only postponed Judgment Day and also getting a glimpse of how Skynet is more advanced than previous movies. Now, here in T4, it looks like what they reveal is further proof of how the timeline has been changed and just how more quickly Skynet is more advanced now.Blowing up Cyberdyne wound up being as bad as Biff going back and giving himself the Sports Almanac.

[🪦 krazedkilla ●]

People are putting to much emphasis on the previous films before they have even seen the new one. In order to enjoy it in the theaters I think your going to have to stop being so subjective. Just forget about the previous films and what you think you know and just go out to see the damn movie. It's quite obvious that the future is not set so anything is possible when it comes to T4. PS. T3 was a cool flick. If it wasn't for that film we wouldn't even be talking about this one. It opened up the door for future sequels that differ from the first three. I'll be honest and be the first one to say that the send the killer and protector type movie was getting old. After all the talk about the future and what it was like, all I could think was that they should do a movie on that for the next film.

[🪦 Castle Warlock ●]

<!--quoteo(post=301676:date=Mar 4 2009, 07:14 PM:name=TheMagnificentVoid)<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(TheMagnificentVoid @ Mar 4 2009, 07:14 PM) <a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=301676\"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class=\'quotemain\'><!--quotecThe problem now, Castle, is you're now arguing against your own original complaint of how a "transformer" could be in this new movie, that all of a sudden Skynet could have this thing now but in the first two films it was simpler tech by 2029 showing only things like Hunter/Killers. It's your latest posts that support what I have been trying to explain (apparently in novel form) how the present actions in the second and third movie have helped lead up to this altered future in T4 where Skynet is advancing more quickly.Although I doubt you could get too much from a T-800 arm that was mashed up in a cog/gear, the story in T3 was obvious . . .that by blowing up Cyberdyne it led to the work being finished (or causing most of the work to now to be done) at another building - a Military Installation backed by Military Funding and it is here that Brewster and his team were able to do MORE with the arm and chip than Cyberdyne did. This led to already building of prototypes of the hunter/killer models. There was nothing in the first two films that indicated when that tech was achieved so that it led up to the original future 2029 and the most advanced tech being the Hunter/Killers by then. The whole idea of the future not being set plays PERFECTLY here in T3 and hopefully now T4.Stopping Cyberdyne from doing their thing in T2, wound up just making things worse. We found out in T3 that it only postponed Judgment Day. Now, here in T4, it looks like what they reveal is that we also caused the advancement of Skynet even more.<!--QuoteEnd</div><!--QuoteEEndAlright, first lets clear the air! "Transformer" is something YOU first mentioned. Also, when I said "novel", I meant I didn't want to spend the hour it would have taken to explain everything in type form. I DID NOT MEAN you were writing in novel form NOR that I was annoyed or hesitant to read it because it appeared to be a longer post. Really, I'm not arguing shit! I understand EXACTLY what you are trying to get at and point out. I've clearly and precisely thought of everything you have presented me with, ALREADY, and unfortunately, that is the coarse this new movie is taking with it's timeline, machines and future. Like I tried to point out before, I just wish these new installments followed the characters, timelines, futures and nightmares, that were shown to us originally by James Cameron and William Wisher....